Comments on: Should we do it all online? http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/2009/02/12/should-we-do-it/ ...thinking strategically about Internet ministry Fri, 02 Mar 2012 15:31:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Book Review: SimChurch | Lessons From Babel http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/2009/02/12/should-we-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-774 Book Review: SimChurch | Lessons From Babel Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:24:30 +0000 http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/?p=249#comment-774 [...] you have read this blog before, you know that I have been a critic of online church. However, as a lover of technology and the Internet, I am always open to thinking [...] [...] you have read this blog before, you know that I have been a critic of online church. However, as a lover of technology and the Internet, I am always open to thinking [...]

]]> By: Lifechurch.tv lets us go “Behind the Curtain” | Lessons From Babel http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/2009/02/12/should-we-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-752 Lifechurch.tv lets us go “Behind the Curtain” | Lessons From Babel Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:42:29 +0000 http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/?p=249#comment-752 [...] As you may know, I am a big fan of Lifechurch, but also a critic. You can find my opinions about online church and Lifechurch.tv in general throughout this blog, but a good summary of my basic arguments is in this post. [...] [...] As you may know, I am a big fan of Lifechurch, but also a critic. You can find my opinions about online church and Lifechurch.tv in general throughout this blog, but a good summary of my basic arguments is in this post. [...]

]]> By: Saddleback Internet Campus | Lessons From Babel http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/2009/02/12/should-we-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-256 Saddleback Internet Campus | Lessons From Babel Mon, 11 May 2009 20:27:50 +0000 http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/?p=249#comment-256 [...] Instead of re-hashing those arguments here, let me point you to a couple previous blog entries here and here.  You may also want to check out my interview with Shane Hipps, who has written on this [...] [...] Instead of re-hashing those arguments here, let me point you to a couple previous blog entries here and here.  You may also want to check out my interview with Shane Hipps, who has written on this [...]

]]> By: What you save them WITH is what you save them TO | Lessons From Babel http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/2009/02/12/should-we-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-129 What you save them WITH is what you save them TO | Lessons From Babel Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:52:50 +0000 http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/?p=249#comment-129 [...] week, I began a discussion about LifeChurch.tv and their implementation of an online “campus” for their church.  [...] [...] week, I began a discussion about LifeChurch.tv and their implementation of an online “campus” for their church.  [...]

]]> By: Brandon Donaldson http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/2009/02/12/should-we-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-128 Brandon Donaldson Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:30:14 +0000 http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/?p=249#comment-128 Hey Dave (and class), It is great to have a Biola class checking this out and working through some great questions. I am an alumni of Biola (MA in Christian Apologetics) and I am glad to hear you all visited online. I think these are good questions to continue to wrestle with. One way I have tried to phrase what is happening is like this, "We do not want to create church online. Instead we want to facilitate the church using online tools." I think any ministry you are talking about should have the non-changing principles that God intended. The church can not change. It is the same as when God set it up. Any tool we use should be used to accelerate the vision that is already there, not to create something new and shiny. The internet represents an incredible communication tool for the church. I know it has been quite a journey for me personally as I have walked through this ministry the last 3 years. Continually praying that God would guide what we could do and what we should do in regards to the online tools. Through out all the questions and challenges, I have personally been a part of 100's of stories of people who have surrendered their life to Jesus. I have always thought that these tools have just allowed me to be a part of God's stories in lives all around the world that I would have never had the opportunity to share. It has also showed me the questions are worth seeking, and that Jesus can be trusted. I hope that your discussions and further insight will further Jesus fame in a healthy way using any tools we have the opportunity of using. God bless! Hey Dave (and class),
It is great to have a Biola class checking this out and working through some great questions. I am an alumni of Biola (MA in Christian Apologetics) and I am glad to hear you all visited online.

I think these are good questions to continue to wrestle with. One way I have tried to phrase what is happening is like this, “We do not want to create church online. Instead we want to facilitate the church using online tools.” I think any ministry you are talking about should have the non-changing principles that God intended. The church can not change. It is the same as when God set it up. Any tool we use should be used to accelerate the vision that is already there, not to create something new and shiny. The internet represents an incredible communication tool for the church.

I know it has been quite a journey for me personally as I have walked through this ministry the last 3 years. Continually praying that God would guide what we could do and what we should do in regards to the online tools. Through out all the questions and challenges, I have personally been a part of 100′s of stories of people who have surrendered their life to Jesus. I have always thought that these tools have just allowed me to be a part of God’s stories in lives all around the world that I would have never had the opportunity to share. It has also showed me the questions are worth seeking, and that Jesus can be trusted.

I hope that your discussions and further insight will further Jesus fame in a healthy way using any tools we have the opportunity of using.

God bless!

]]> By: Tony Whittaker http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/2009/02/12/should-we-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Tony Whittaker Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:46:22 +0000 http://genesys11.com/lessonsfrombabel/?p=249#comment-127 Hi Dave Some interesting questions - I have commented on your posting on Internet Evangelism Day's new blog at InternetEvangelismDay.com/blog It will be interesting, as you work through your list of the biblical areas of ministry with the students, to find equivalents online for each area in the list, and also analyze whether they are attractional (like an online church service), or incarnational (going out an meeting people socially, and/or within an area of common interest or felt need/problem. Blessings Tony Hi Dave

Some interesting questions – I have commented on your posting on Internet Evangelism Day’s new blog at InternetEvangelismDay.com/blog

It will be interesting, as you work through your list of the biblical areas of ministry with the students, to find equivalents online for each area in the list, and also analyze whether they are attractional (like an online church service), or incarnational (going out an meeting people socially, and/or within an area of common interest or felt need/problem.

Blessings

Tony

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